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  • 1.  Draining 401(k) Accounts When Changing Jobs: The Hidden Time Bomb Undermining Retirement Savings

    Posted 07-20-2023 15:38

    BALTIMORE, MD, July 17, 2023 – When researchers set out to study 401(k) retirement savings accumulation, they found that thousands of studies of retirement savings accumulation ignored the surprisingly high rate of departing employees who cash out retirement savings at job separation. This is concerning because, statistically, everyone will likely change jobs multiple times before retirement.

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    Ashley Smith
    Public Relations Specialist
    INFORMS Public Affairs Coordinator
    Baltimore MD
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  • 2.  RE: Draining 401(k) Accounts When Changing Jobs: The Hidden Time Bomb Undermining Retirement Savings

    Posted 07-21-2023 10:10
    Edited by Brian Putt 07-21-2023 10:12

    Agree, but let me expand on an option to roll over the 401K to your individual retirement account.   There is no requirement to do anything with the account.   You can leave it in your past employer's 401K.   This can be particularly advantageous for older employees who will eventually reach the age of RMDs (72) IF you have Company stock in the 401K.   When your Company stock is rolled to an IRA that money becomes fully taxable when withdrawn.   However, RMD rules allows you to defer the first year RMD to the following year.   If you have not made any withdrawals from the 401K, you can withdraw the company stock and the market value is used for satisfying the RMD for both years.   However, the Company stock can then be sold and the employee only pays long term capital gains on the Company stock.  Check out the tax rules for NUA's  (Net Unrealized Annuity).

    If you do not have any Company stock, then it might be advantageous to roll to an IRA as you probably have more investment opportunities available.  



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    BRIAN PUTT
    Decision Scientist Consultant
    retired
    Fremont CA
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  • 3.  RE: Draining 401(k) Accounts When Changing Jobs: The Hidden Time Bomb Undermining Retirement Savings

    Posted 07-21-2023 15:08

    I agree with the article that it is concerning, but I'd add "for most people" or "in general". For others, probably less than 5% of the population, the money might bring a much higher percentage return put to other use like starting a business or getting out of debt to start saving much more - snowball effect. It also does not state how much the average account is worth when withdrawn. Our minds tend to trick us if the amount is smaller, and that's where the education part comes in that is mentioned in the article. Maybe a good case study for the Analytics and/or Decision Analysis community. At what $-value, for what % return, and what age group, are people more likely to cash out 401k's when leaving a company? What other factors are involved? I don't think it's just employers not educating their employees.



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    Aaron Hussey
    Founder & CEO
    Integral Analytics, LLC
    Concord NC
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  • 4.  RE: Draining 401(k) Accounts When Changing Jobs: The Hidden Time Bomb Undermining Retirement Savings

    Posted 07-21-2023 23:43

    Really? 41% cashed out their retirement? Well, what was the average withdrawal? And are you sure the researchers are not confusing this with rollovers? If true, this is just another reason to encourage our government to redesign the private retirement system. This is one issue out of many.

    Check out this article from Demos; report has more details: https://www.demos.org/research/retirement-savings-drain-hidden-excessive-costs-401ks



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    Alberto Aparicio
    Data Analyst
    Charitable Adult Rides & Services, Inc.
    CA
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